People cling to any power they have, no matter how trivial it actually is. There’s a reason all the subreddits caved on their API protests after it became clear their mods would simply be replaced if they continued to protest.Content moderation is one of the most replaceable jobs out there. Why all the drama. A lot of people here thinking they are way more important than they actually are. And they still don't realise it.
Reddit has enough problems right now. If I was sixty I'd probably mention that the sub mods took the subreddit dark without discussing it with him, against his wishes. Probably ends any discussion, assuming there was one going on to begin with.
My understanding is that he is/was not particularly active in moderating the subreddit. Bit stupid if you want all the control, but just dip in and out for months at a time. That probably ends any discussion imo.
I'm not complaining that my meme was removed (it was just a stupid meme), nor do I disagree with the concept of having a diverse front page. The issue is that when mods delete posts that don't break any individual rules, it is a breach of trust and a violation of website terms of service. Moderation activity is a targeted action, and should not be performed unless it can be reasonably proven that the individual on the discipline-end did something wrong, which was not the case with me. Like I said before, deleting meme posts because the front page shouldn't be cluttered with memes is like the police pulling you over for driving a red car because there are too many red cars on the highway. A better solution would be to provide a lane for each color and let people drive any color car they want. People who are diverse and flexible in their car color would enjoy the best traffic. I suggested this, in the form of categories, with the algorithm selecting posts from those categories to appear in the ideal mix on the front page, so if a million people posted a meme at the same time, you'd still get the ideal mix for the viewers because most of those memes would be at the bottom. I provided this solution many months ago through my friend Aurelius, and it was totally ignored by the rest of the mod team. Why would they ignore that? It's a good idea! Nobody said it couldn't be done. I didn't understand why ... until the subreddit owner claimed that some mods were corrupt and selling promotion in exchange for favors from streamers. Now it makes sense: they likely benefit from the current design. Going back to our car analogy ... if only some of the red cars get pulled over, how many of the drivers would give the police $10 to ticket somebody else instead?As someone who has had a meme removed from reddit, we can bond over our trauma of being oppressed online. Imagine having a rule in a forum with thousands that prevents people from flooding memes to make other content accessible. No imagine feeling so indignated over one of your memes being removed in accordance with a general rule that applies to everyone and then crying about it publicly on a thread that discusses mods who put hours of volunteer work being treated in this manner.
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He then goes on to accuse the mods of corruption by either censoring posts on behalf of Microsoft/Worlds Edge or by unfairly promoting certain streamers in exchange for t-shirts and other swag. This is frankly, a disgusting claim when he admits that he has no evidence or even any indications of this actually happening, and simply seems like a way to justify the removal of the mod team.
Spoiler: Sixtyt3's claim Also this is not substantiated so please apply judgement: but I think mods should not accept any favors (tshirts or whatever) to drive traffic to any particular channel or twitch.
This makes is very hard to have mods that have zero bias. This is why we need fewer more patient mods.
That is a completely inane comparison, too many red cars does not have a negative impact on the highway, while too many meme posts certainly does.Like I said before, deleting meme posts because the front page shouldn't be cluttered with memes is like the police pulling you over for driving a red car because there are too many red cars on the highway.
The issue is that when mods delete posts that don't break any individual rules
There is a very clear rule that there should not be too many meme posts.1. Low Effort Content
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- Meme pictures are allowed if they have a clear connection to AoE2. However, only 10% of the front page should ever consist of them.
How can this be implemented on Reddit? is there a checkbox that the mods need to enable?I suggested this, in the form of categories, with the algorithm selecting posts from those categories to appear in the ideal mix on the front page, so if a million people posted a meme at the same time, you'd still get the ideal mix for the viewers because most of those memes would be at the bottom.
Do you seriously believe that people are paying mods actual money to allow a meme post to be kept on the front page of a relatively tiny subreddit so they can farm a few hundred upvotes?until the subreddit owner claimed that some mods were corrupt and selling promotion in exchange for favors from streamers. Now it makes sense: they likely benefit from the current design. Going back to our car analogy ... if only some of the red cars get pulled over, how many of the drivers would give the police $10 to ticket somebody else instead?
I accidentally linked the wrong megathread, but here you will see that he deleted all of his comments but can see where it is quoted.I see where you say that he said that and that you find it distasteful. Not seeing it actually said in the mega linked thread.
Looks like that remark was deleted. Was curious what evidence they presented. Doesn't sound like any. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out. They really failed the evil minion class, allowing replies instead of creating a stickied topic with no posts allowed. Very bond-villain esque, 5/10.I accidentally linked the wrong megathread, but here you will see that he deleted all of his comments but can see where it is quoted.
The accusations of corruption among most of the reddit mod team are credible based on my experience, the experiences of others, and the poor design of the system. The World of Warships subreddit (r/WorldOfWarships) has a feature that requires users to categorize every post they make. I can't see any reason why this could not be implemented for AOE2. It would improve user trust dramatically. I don't know what would be exchanged for preferential treatment (probably not money), but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. In fact, given the shoddiness of the current website design (as well as all the complaints), you'd be a fool to assume it doesn't.That is a completely inane comparison, too many red cars does not have a negative impact on the highway, while too many meme posts certainly does.
There is a very clear rule that there should not be too many meme posts.
It is the very first rule, it is impossible to miss.
How can this be implemented on Reddit? is there a checkbox that the mods need to enable?
As far as I know, this would be impossible without essentially creating an entirely new website that is not Reddit.
Do you seriously believe that people are paying mods actual money to allow a meme post to be kept on the front page of a relatively tiny subreddit so they can farm a few hundred upvotes?
That is almost as dumb a conspiracy theory as the people that believe there are aliens in Area 52 or the moon landing was faked.
I don't think you can accuse the mods of corruption because of the intended system that Reddit uses.The accusations of corruption among most of the reddit mod team are credible based on my experience, the experiences of others, and the poor design of the system.
Generally, you need to have some indication (anything at all) that something is happening before accusing people of it. Anything that shows that favours (relaxed moderation/extra promotion) might possibly being traded for something (money/swag/gifts/coaching).I don't know what would be exchanged for preferential treatment (probably not money), but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Consider this article, one of many google results on the topic of reddit feed sorting: https://cs229.stanford.edu/proj2015/336_report.pdfAdding tags/flairs to posts already exists (see spoiler), but afaik there is no way to change the Reddit sorting algorithm so that it only chooses a specific amount of each flair type. It is mostly there to help users filter what content they want to see specifically when searching (see spoiler).
So unless I am missing something, the only way to change that would be to use a different site that filters Reddit content or get Reddit to change their global system. The first of which requires a dev to create the website & filtering algorithm, and also funding for their time+hosting+newly introduced API fees, the second would never happen as it goes against the entire principle of Reddit.
I don't think you can accuse the mods of corruption because of the intended system that Reddit uses.
Beyond that. one of your meme posts was deleted, apparently, some other people had meme posts deleted?, and the Grathwrang incident (which I admit was not great and I think I would've handled differently, but it was settled in the end) means the mods are corrupt.
Generally, you need to have some indication (anything at all) that something is happening before accusing people of it. Anything that shows that favours (relaxed moderation/extra promotion) might possibly being traded for something (money/swag/gifts/coaching).
As I tried to discuss with sixtyt3 before the megathread was deleted
"What indications do you have that what you claim may have happened? Hard proof may not be required if there are significant signs pointing towards it. For instance, proof that any of the mods actually own any shirts from streamers in the first place.
Then we can look into if they were given them for free and if they have done anything to illegally promote them in exchange."
After this discussion, I now believe that you have stolen all of your maps from other people and are attempting to profit from their work. I have no proof to support this, but based on everything I know about you (basically nothing), it must be true.
/s for anyone that didn't get it.
I made a calculator that could do 2-digit addition in visual basics once in school, I hope I'm not overqualified.and see if you can lend your programming skills to improving the site
Guys, the goal of a group of people cannot be to blackmail & hold a sub hostage with drama until they get what they want.
A main mod of a sub is being asked to step out and make 2 people main mods so they can do whatever they wish without any oversight.
How is that going to help the sub ? This sub is a gold mine of traffic. There are youtube links. There are posts. You can do pretty much anything you want to further one agenda.
Everyone knows that. Don't you think its a little sus to ask for the top guy to leave ? How is that going to help ?
Please tell me how is going to help the sub. If they're willing to be transparent and work for the community, why do you they want the top mod removed esp after he asked a few questions.
I don't want any drama here and I'm sure 90% of our users don't care.
I'm offering to reinstate the two mods on one condition: We are transparent about any external reach outs and run the sub with transparency.
If they are not ok with this how can we possibly continue ? Is the goal to hold the sub hostage on the threat of drama and witch hunting ?
Please apply judgement.
All mod rights will be re-instated as stated above IF they agree with the transparency (there are ways to establish transparency including publishing mod logs minus the spam).
It's as easy as a group DM.
Can't say I'm super informed on this drama but it seems to me that the "head mod" is willing to let the other mods back in as long as they make all of their moderation actions publicly available. (past, present, and future I'm assuming)
That's not a rule, that is an expression of intended outcome. Individual posters do not control the content that exists on the first page.There is a very clear rule that there should not be too many meme posts.
It is the very first rule, it is impossible to miss.
That's not a rule, that is an expression of intended outcome. Individual posters do not control the content that exists on the first page.