Where were you a Reddit mod of?Boy am I glad I quit being a Reddit mod
Long time ago of r/aoe2 but I wasn't active enoughWhere were you a Reddit mod of?
I mean that it is not really actionable for a user.well It is rule on r/aoe2 and one purpose of having rules is to direct way of subreddit/any community. there is same/similar rule for memes in many other subreddits including r/aoe4 (at least when I last time visited). sixtyt3 might be person originally behind that rule since he has also made inactive r/aoe2memes but also r/trueaoe where memes are fully banned. You can argue if rule should be changed of course but aoezone is not place to get conceus for that
There used to be one in the early days of r/aoe4, though that was a low-effort rule more than a no-memes rule. People misinterpreted what it was and made a big fuzz that they were not allowed to post memes even though they were. Then the rule was removed... and memes were rarely posted anyways, but at least now people don't complain they can't post them.[...]There is same/similar rule for memes in many other subreddits including r/aoe4 (at least when I last time visited). [...]
After reading the comments from sixtyt3 from that thread, the dude just plays dictator for fun.New comment from sixtyt3:
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Huge reddit moment!!!TIMELINE
-I cast with Memb
-Cyanide writes some mean stuff in chat during the cast
-I stream
-Cyanide comes into my chat and writes some questionably toned stuff that makes me feel uncomfortable having him around.
-I'm struggling to stay focused as a result, I feel like my stream is being effected.
-I ban Cyanide
-moments later Cyanide writes a bunch of angry messages in my discord
-I ban Cyanide from my discord
-Cyanide bans me from r/aoe2
-I (being unaware of reddit mod mail, using old.reddit and having never been banned from any sub reddit before) post a screen shot on twitter going "wtf?"
-Reddit mods reach out to me via reddit mod mail to say they "already" unbanned me, and that they "understand cyanide's reaction, given that I had banned him and they think it was unwarranted" (what???)
- I reply saying cyanide is acting personally and shouldnt be, and he should be removed as a mod, and that I won't address off-site actions in regard to this which is purely a reddit issue.
-Mods say they are disappointed I wont co-operate fully (what???) and that their decision on cyanide won't be changed.
-I point out that the posted chat logs they referred to do not include additional messages that were deleted from memb's chat during the broadcast, and that me tweeting a thing that happened cannot constantly be construed as harassment.
-Reddit mods say I'm calling for other big names to support me to bully them? (I've literally never done this lol) and bring up stream sniping accusations (!?!?!??!!?!?) saying I'm not allowed to defend myself against them, as that counts as "picking fights."
-I reply defending myself, including pointing out the people admitting to stream sniping on the reddit thread (reddit, twitch, steam TOS violations btw) and draw comparisons to when memb was being harassed by stream snipers, and point out that the mods are obligated to follow the reddit TOS, and that the escalation they are claiming i made by posting the reddit thread was posted by someone other than myself.
-one of the r/aoe2 moderators reported one of my messages using reddit's message reporting feature to reddit admins, claiming that message was harassing them.
-I point this out to the mods
-mods claim none of them did it
-I point out that it's literally impossible that someone other than an r/aoe2 mod repoted the message
-no reply
-Now this.
MY PERSON ASSUMPTIONS:
The moderator who unduly reported me to reddit admin would not admit whether or not they did it to the other admins/subreddit owner.
The subreddit owner is therefore forced to unmod everyone, since an abuse of trust has occured with no way of knowing who did it. You can't let moderators just report random folks for no reason.
Or the other mods are standing in solidarity with the person who reported my reddit message, and have consequently been removed as it's a direct violation of reddit TOS and the subreddit owner has no choice.
SPECULATION:
Or the mods have left for reasons unrelated to any of this, possibly relating to enforcement of the reddit blackout?
So, rather than vilify the dude, consider he is literally the only barrier between us and a bunch of corrupt as **** subreddit mods who want to be able to abuse power and get away with it.
For what its worth, I've seen direct evidence of several of the mods rampant toxicity across the aoe2 community, several of them have direct grudges against me and have been vocal about it or otherwise made their dislike evident across several aoe2 player/caster discords and twitch channels. To me this is all very dull and unsurprising tbh. Hopefully some of the more established folks on the scene will wake up as to what happens when they ignore the conduct of their communitiy's members on channels/streams/forums other than the ones they run.
Full screenshot dump:
You might feel this way, but someone like grath didn't like the way his ban was handled. Do you feel that if you had made a bigger issue, like complaining on your stream or posting about it on twitter, it would have resolved or improved? Grath took that route, which wasnt appreciated by the mods, which further frustrates Grath.Anyway, I still think the mods should be reinstated. Even though I think they made a bad call with me it seems they were doing fine in the big picture.
The mod banned you. That was a personal retaliation.Any well moderated subreddit , forum, twitch channel, or moderated online gathering would have given a mod the boot as soon as they started banning people for personal reasons. There's a vocal contingent of people that do not like me and are trying to use that to excuse the mods behaviour.
This is the equivalent of a cop abusing their power and other cops defending him, and a video being shown and the comment section taking the side of the cop beating a dude up because "he probably deserved it for doing X."
Do better AOE community.
Back around 2020 I started posting/commenting heavily on r/Aoe2. Then when I started my Youtube AoE content I'd post videos to it occasionally. The mods began removing my posts without giving me any feedback, and I found it unfair as a regular user and it wasn't clear how often new content creators could post and promote themselves. A big streamer even commented on their stream that I was posting low-quality posts to fake that I was genuinely active - If you don't like what someone posts it doesn't mean you get to decide if they're genuine or not. I found the whole thing rather distasteful and I stopped going to the subreddit for a few months and completely stopped promoting my own stuff. I realized after that, that the AoE community is really only nice to some people in some contexts.
You might feel this way, but someone like grath didn't like the way his ban was handled. Do you feel that if you had made a bigger issue, like complaining on your stream or posting about it on twitter, it would have resolved or improved? Grath took that route, which wasnt appreciated by the mods, which further frustrates Grath.
You forgot the part in the scenario where the cop continued to defend their bad decision, suggesting they had not learned anything and would continue to act abusively.The mod banned you. That was a personal retaliation.
The other mods found out and unbanned you. In your cop metaphor, that's the equivalent of you being put into handcuffs, other cops arriving to the scene and telling the first cop that they were wrong, and removing you from handcuffs.
No one got beat up. There is not a history of the first cop making the wrong decision. They cops had an internal discussion and kept the first cop on their team. Except that cop is actually a volunteer and a member of the actual community they are overseeing.
I haven't seen anyone in this thread victim blaming you.
I had the same problem, but after reading the rules on reddit it made sense to me:Back around 2020 I started posting/commenting heavily on r/Aoe2. Then when I started my Youtube AoE content I'd post videos to it occasionally. The mods began removing my posts without giving me any feedback, and I found it unfair as a regular user and it wasn't clear how often new content creators could post and promote themselves. A big streamer even commented on their stream that I was posting low-quality posts to fake that I was genuinely active - If you don't like what someone posts it doesn't mean you get to decide if they're genuine or not. I found the whole thing rather distasteful and I stopped going to the subreddit for a few months and completely stopped promoting my own stuff. I realized after that, that the AoE community is really only nice to some people in some contexts.
Anyway, I still think the mods should be reinstated. Even though I think they made a bad call with me it seems they were doing fine in the big picture. Getting people to do free moderation and stay active is harder than most people think.
- You can post your own content to the subreddit, but you must also participate in discussions on reddit.
- As a rule of thumb, only 10% of your submissions should be self-promotion.
- For more information, check the side-wide rules on self-promotion.
Not that I’m looking to seriously chime in here as I’d surely get laughed out of this topic if not also be offensive to some, but nothing you mention is really mysterious. Harvard and Yale have done studies on social media which explain a lot of this imo. Gets complicated too.I'm 90% sure all the still present Grath drama would be virtually non-existent if the old mods just kept the most unnecessary statements to themselves. Why on earth do you need to state that yeah actually we agree with this drama sentiment and we understand Cyanide completely, etc. Just keep it to yourself 11. Headline with the important stuff: Grath has been unbanned, Cyanide is no longer able to ban users. Then stop talking.
It's not the first time I've been baffled by vitriolic statements from reddit mods. When there was some conversation on the official reddit Discord about about Poop Lord (smaller aoe2 creator) at a point when he had recently been banned for excessive self-promo (which I don't question) some reddit mod (can't recall who, can't find on search, they probably deleted it after realising how petty, inappropriate and unnecessary it was) chimed in regarding the name with something like "yeah, describes the person too" which to me seemed very unnecessary and out of place to say for someone with that role in that context.
Sprinkling in the personal preferences on drama in official mod business doesn't seem terribly brilliant to me and I don't understand how it's necessary. And if you do think Grathwrang is a terribly dramatic person, why on earth would you want to fuel the fire.
Interesting. I'm not offended nor laughing at you but I would love to read the Harvard or Yale study on the necessity of sprinkling in personal drama in official mod business. Could you link or refer to one of those studies?Not that I’m looking to seriously chime in here as I’d surely get laughed out of this topic if not also be offensive to some, but nothing you mention is really mysterious. Harvard and Yale have done studies on social media which explain a lot of this imo. Gets complicated too.
A tldr would be some people enjoy getting angry at things or others (even addicted), group bashing (positive reinforcement to beliefs about a person for instance), and probably something about the dark triad which sort of enters Jungian psychology. One or two more specific things could be added as well (which prob then becomes offensive imo).
I must’ve read at least 5 of these things over past few years. I found the Yale one, the Harvard I think I found one too. But I am missing another from Harvard that was called a corny title like “The Age of Outrage” which is more the one you want. It doesn’t pop up for me unfortunately. It’s interesting because I believe it had things like moral indignation or righteous indignation as justifications which say enough as terms if you look them up. Speaks about some things that are seen on the internet as a whole imo.Interesting. I'm not offended nor laughing at you but I would love to read the Harvard or Yale study on the necessity of sprinkling in personal drama in official mod business. Could you link or refer to one of those studies?
^ This. I have posted my content/tournament announcements on reddit frequently as well, but also engaging in discussion and helpful tips where asked for. And the odd off joking, nonsense comment. If you aren’t active a lot aside from your content posting, it is likely that the mods will have a glance at your posting history and make a judgement call on whether your posts should be allowed or not. It is clearly stated in the rules, just as sharing your reddit post links on external sites is also not allowed.I had the same problem, but after reading the rules on reddit it made sense to me:
- Do not spam the subreddit.
- You can promote your own events or streams as long as the above rules are observed.
The Yale one is probably more up your alley. A biological reason why there is vitriol in personal mod dramas you mention imo is probably rooted in neuroscience in regards to addiction/reward in two ways. One is adrenaline (an effect of anger like anxiety/fear, thrill seekers get hooked on it) and another is dopamine (effects of people agreeing with comments, a reward in a sense which is positive reinforcement). That’s some of the more technical things the Yale research yielded. Said you saw it, I assume that means there’s an audience and things are more fun that way. Can search that yourself if you want to, that’s just the simplest thing to save you time if you’re really curious. Wonder how it would’ve been if no one saw