I'll just say that 1EBoyar>2 Ecats (both FU).
+ Infantry vanishes vs Eboyars. (spear-line excluded, naturally).
I don't disagree that for the cost, they should be better. Philippe has made a nice suggestion.
Logistics cost as much Elite Boyar upgrade which is 1000F 600G and Elite Cataphract upgrade is one of the most expensive upgrades in the game, a pricey purchase of 1600F 800G. Bloodlines and Blast Furnace which are upgrades that Byzantines don't have for their Cataphracts, seems like a bargain for Slavs that do have them for their Boyars when compared to researching Logistics and a more expensive Elite UU upgrade. Boyars do need a slight boost perhaps 1 normal armor for non-elite Boyars(5 normal armor total) and Elite Boyars(7 normal armor total) so they survive better against Paladins especially Frankish ones when Chivalry come into play.I'll just say that 1EBoyar>2 Ecats (both FU).
+ Infantry vanishes vs Eboyars. (spear-line excluded, naturally).
I don't disagree that for the cost, they should be better. Philippe has made a nice suggestion.
How is that?EBoyars die from the same number of halb and archer shots as paladins and they don't have any bonus.They can't defeat camels(?) and barely survive vs paladins.The only thing they're good at is attacking champs which catas do better.And they require MUCH more upgrades to be FU/usableloodlines,Husbandry,Scale,Chain and Plate-barding armor+Forging,Iron casting+Blast furnace.Catas only need Scale+chain+plate brding+Logistica+Frg+Irncst.
Make Boyars benefit from infantry armor upgrades.
Elite Boyars is more like a makeshift Paladin since Slavs can get only up to Cavalier. If anything is a luxury Knight killer its the (Heavy) Camel since they suck against everything else that isn't a cavalry unit, especially when compared to Halberdiers or Pikeman which do the same job and have similar base attack, without costing any gold.Boyars are luxuous Knights-killers, that's their purpose, Elite Boyar can kill even Frankish Paladins with ease; they also work well against swordsmen infantry (except Teutonic Knights, Samurais and mass Kamayuks who litteraly slay them).
But they are weak against mass archers/HCA (low PA), Halberdiers (low HP compared to Pallies), Camels...a very strange unit...even for raiding I prefer Pallies to Elite Boyar, since Pallies got more HP and PA
Make Boyars benefit from infantry armor upgrades.
It's both illogical and it won't help in Imperial at all while getting arrow fire, as Plate Mail Armor give +1 PA t compared to Plate Barding Armor who give +2 PA.
It'll get to Boyars even weaker to archers than before. We can't do all the most illogical things for "balance", Boyar is a cavalry unit, so simply make it getting the cavalry upgrades
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Good idea!But then they would have to slightly nerf it and give it a shorter creation time since they're still produced from castles.