They are a closed map specialist. With like 56 % winrate on closed maps (Elo 1700 and above). 46% for open maps is actually not as bad as I thought. You have to play a bit off-meta with them....which generally leads to the perception of a civ being bad.
Pretty good on 1v1 arena (and most other closed maps), great on BF team games with 9 pierce armor elephants (which are the best elephants aside from Persian elite war eles when there are regular ranged units on the field like elite mangudai)
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