I saw Jordan declined a sponsorship because it was "against his values"? What happened?
Thanks. The first I heard about it was right before I made this thread. So he declined a raid shadow legends sponsorship?Read relevant tweets and comments. https://twitter.com/JorDan_AoE/status/1385159428090081280 does show everything you need as he has deleted other tweet. it's already 1-2 weeks old news so stop dramazing things
so stop dramazing things
Thanks for posting, that provides some great context for why he declined.That is a grown out spine! Good decision. Respect!
For people not knowing what this is about:
That is a grown out spine! Good decision. Respect!
For people not knowing what this is about:
Yeah that was insane. Like take a chill pill, you don't like the game, fine move on.I found that video more obnoxious than anything about Raid Shadow Legends. Hope I never have the misfortune of hearing that guy talk again.
I couldn’t even get past the first few minutes.I found that video more obnoxious than anything about Raid Shadow Legends. Hope I never have the misfortune of hearing that guy talk again.
Not sure about other communities, but neither in this thread nor in the reddit one was this ever brought up.To me it looks like people hate on the game producer and developer only because the company is Israeli.
To me it looks like people hate on the game producer and developer only because the company is Israeli.
Yes I'm sure that's the only possible reason anyone could dislike this company with exceptionally high moral standards and perfectly acceptable monetization methods.To me it looks like people hate on the game producer and developer only because the company is Israeli.
Seems like some you are misunderstanding the reason for the "hate" received by said game. It's not about the game in particular, but the kind of predatory tactics games like these employ to get people into the game and spend a ton of money.To me it looks like people hate on the game producer and developer only because the company is Israeli.
nice brainbug you have there - sometimes you should clear your mind from such a trash way to thinkTo me it looks like people hate on the game producer and developer only because the company is Israeli.
I think a massive difference is that these freemium games have such a setup to actively lure in people sensitive to addiction, and build their entire business model on those people. They slow down their (initially fun) games down to a massive and endless grind unless you're willing to spend (actual) thousands of euro's on it.I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the concept of "predatory" game mechanics. Last I checked people have a choice to play the game or just leave it. Just like with any hobby. I have several hobbies, some of them I sank thousands of dollars into. Does that make them predatory? No, sometimes that's just the cost of getting into something. No regrets, I knew what I was getting into and what I was getting out of it.
With kids of course it's different but then it's up to the parents to be involved in the kids' lives and offer guidance and enforce limits to their spending.
I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the concept of "predatory" game mechanics. Last I checked people have a choice to play the game or just leave it. Just like with any hobby. I have several hobbies, some of them I sank thousands of dollars into. Does that make them predatory? No, sometimes that's just the cost of getting into something. No regrets, I knew what I was getting into and what I was getting out of it.
With kids of course it's different but then it's up to the parents to be involved in the kids' lives and offer guidance and enforce limits to their spending.
Yeah, the question was also just trolling. ;-) Don't know why people jump on that low-effort (probably as well antisemite) trolling.Not sure about other communities, but neither in this thread nor in the reddit one was this ever brought up.
Thank you for that well written text and I hope you're doing fine!Seems like some you are misunderstanding the reason for the "hate" received by said game. It's not about the game in particular, but the kind of predatory tactics games like these employ to get people into the game and spend a ton of money.
The excellent last video linked by simonsan in their post's spoilers contains a lecture by a game company CEO highlighting the predatory practices used by these kinds of companies. For those of you who do not want to watch it, let me just quickly highlight one part of it (and there's a reason why I'm talking about this part). The whole appeal of a lot of these mobile games is that it's free to play on the surface. The video explains how companies do their monetization in stages. The first stage is what they call the Hook or Ice Breaker. This stage is often tutorial based where people are given some freebies, and some really cheap offers that are too hard to resist, but need you to pay up a tiny amount of actual money. The idea behind this is to break the wall that a lot of people have which prevents them from spending on a mobile game. The next stage, as people develop a Habit of playing the game, is to sell them conveniences to help quicker progress. And lastly, as the game becomes a Hobby, it tries to sell them end-game consumables which are often more expensive than the rest, since people are addicted to the game by then.
For about two years of my life and until quite recently, I was addicted to a game similar in concept to Raid Shadow Legends. The game's story was actually decently compelling, and while it started out fairly innocently as a free to play mobile game, the incentive to spend keeps getting higher and higher as you play. They often try to keep you playing the game by giving shin rewards to make you login daily (and they progressively less shiny as you play more). Are some of these strategies obvious? Well, perhaps in hindsight. To me, who had never previously played any game similar in concept to this, the appeal of the game was in the fact that they kept updating their content each month, releasing new characters (which are often broken to incentivise more spending), and the uncertainty that you aren't always guaranteed to get what you want. I ended up spending about $10 a month on the game, which isn't the end of the world, but more important to me was the sheer time I wasted playing it (3-4 hrs a day on average, 10ish during special events) and making me feel like I haven't gained anything important in any way. But it's fairly easy to imagine people who lose both time and money to these tactics.
Now arguably, when a streamer promoting games like these, they are essentially asking people to try out the "Hook" stage of it. Most people will think of it as another way of supporting their favourite streamer, complete the tutorial stuff once and stop playing. But there will be the 1% who actually find it appealing enough to stay. Does this mean streamers have a moral obligation to stop promoting content like this for the minority who cannot see a game for what it is and will end up losing more time and money than is good for them? In my opinion, not necessarily. But it's always worth appreciating when someone calls it out for what it is (like Viper did) or refuses the sponsorship (like Jordan) if even to prevent the 1% people like me who have nothing but regrets about the time and money they won't ever get back.
If anyone made through this wall of text, thanks. This is my first and probably last post here, and I would have been fine being a lurker if this topic wasn't so personal to me.
One could make the same argument for any type of addiction. Hobbies and addictions aren't synonyms. If your first sentence is actually true, that is you can't actually wrap your mind around it, I'm sure there are lots of resources online that will help you understand it better. For me @Koito_Yuu's post helped me understand it quite well.I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the concept of "predatory" game mechanics. Last I checked people have a choice to play the game or just leave it. Just like with any hobby. I have several hobbies, some of them I sank thousands of dollars into. Does that make them predatory? No, sometimes that's just the cost of getting into something. No regrets, I knew what I was getting into and what I was getting out of it.
With kids of course it's different but then it's up to the parents to be involved in the kids' lives and offer guidance and enforce limits to their spending.
Hobbies can absolutely be addictive and even destructive. My point is that I have never seen such overly protective measures for anything else out there. It's like they pick on these so called "predatory" games.One could make the same argument for any type of addiction. Hobbies and addictions aren't synonyms. If your first sentence is actually true, that is you can't actually wrap your mind around it, I'm sure there are lots of resources online that will help you understand it better. For me @Koito_Yuu's post helped me understand it quite well.